6-14 Catholics & Evangelicals Agree ?
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Roman Catholics and Protestant Evangelicals come together but can they Agree That Faith is a Gift by Gods Grace and Works are a Fruit of the Gift and not that Works Keep or Add to the Gift.From http://ankerberg.com/Article Below on this subjectCatholic theologians uphold the principle of salvation on the basis of Gods grace but what do they mean? The phrase by Gods grace is critical. The Roman Catholic sees Gods grace everywhere, and so inflates the concept of grace as to make it meaningless! It is well documented that Gods grace can be construed by Rome as God allowing us to suffer for our own sins! Incredibly, Rome says we must, by the grace of God, discharge the debt of sin by suffering! Trent is straight forward.If anyone says that after the reception of the grace of justification the guilt is so remitted and the debt of eternal punishment so blotted out to every repentant sinner, that no debt of temporal punishment remains to be discharged either in this world or in purgatory before the gates of heaven can be opened, let him be anathema. Trent, Sixth session, January, 1547.Taken from The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, by H.J. Schroeder, pgs. 41-46.TAP BELOW FOR FULL ARTICLEhttp://www.cwrc-rz.org/articles/artic…
hi hockey say that through catholic mass one receives jesus but this is not the case.. Jesus says you must be born again,, Jesus didnt say that in order to be born again you must eat me in mass did he..only through repenting and making Jesus Lord of your life will you be born spiritually and given a new life in christ….the catholic thinking doesnt fit..
Remember Jesus talking about this in the Gospel according to John 3:1-15, in his talking to the Pharisee, the pharisee was confused and Nicodemus asked him How can a person once grown old be born again? Surely he cannot reenter his mothers womb again, can he? Jesus responds “Amen, amen I say to you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of Spirit is Spirit.
Nicodemus misunderstands it as meaning “again” while Jesus States “You must be born from above.” A clear decisive reference to Baptism. This is why we have a Magesterium in place to interpret Scriptures for us. For many years the Word has been taken out of context, words added, etc.
hockey talks about mass – is that where you believe that Jesus comes down from heaven and turns up in a waffer… then Jesus is eaten every week around the wrold year after year…. is that what you believe?does eating jesus result in salvation? of course not so whats the purpose of worshipping a waffer for crying out loud?or kneeling or bowing down to a waffer for that matter.. arnt you born again..
Because Jesus gave us a NEW Presence of himself in the Eucharist. At the last supper, Jesus took bread and broke it and Jesus said “This IS my body” He didn’t say the bread was LIKE my body, He said “IS my body”. He also said ” Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life within you” We know from the writings of Paul, that this was the way Mass was celabrated, and this is what was taught from the begining, and is continued to this day in his founding Church.
“I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread I will give is my flesh for the life of the world. For my flesh is true food and my blood true drink. “Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.” He is not speaking figuratively here, he never says anything remotely close the the word “symbol”. If Jesus is “The way, the truth and the life, (and he truly is), how can anyone deny what he is saying here?
The wafer, as you see it, is consecrated into the Body of Christ at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass Everyday and everywhere around the world and has been for nearly 2000 years. Our salvation depends on our Faith and works as stated in James 2. “For just a s a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.” Faith is active along with works and faith is completed by the works. See Abraham and his sacrificial act of his son.
I know the truth, and the truth is in my Bible. The Original, untampered version. Martin Luther was a heritic, that deleted 7 books of the Old Testement ,and added words to the New Testement. That is the truth. Which truth sould I believe? Which Church, of the 33,000 denominations of Protestants, all created by diffrent men with diffrent beliefs. I’ll stay with the one that Peter and the Apostles founded. The one that still celabrates the Mass the way Christ wanted, “Do this in memory of me”
hi hockey are you telling me that i am only justifed by my works? is this correct?if you believe that you are justifed by your works… if this is true what works do you do that will justify you?if justification is reliant on my works that i do… doesnt that mean that justification and salvation can be baught or earnt?for that is what you are telling me…
Hi Loudmouth, I’m not saying Works alone. Unlike Martin Luther, I did not add that word to the scripture I was quoting, James2:28. I’ll repeat : “Faith without works is dead” James is clear, faith and works go together, one without the other is death to the soul.